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Wanting to explain the connection between punishment and forgiveness (and the confusion)

I wanted to write a subtopic, for forgiveness, called "The Paradox of Forgiveness (+ Punishment)", which is taken from the article from Leo Zaibert, in which he eloquently explains the paradoxical phenomenon of forgiveness as follows: "There is, then, a purely analytic connection between punishment and forgiveness worth our attention: only what is punishable is forgivable, and only what is forgivable is punishable. Not merely wrongdoing, however, but culpable wrongdoing, is a logical precondition of both punishment and forgiveness." This paradox, becomes solvable if you are able to think about Daniel Kahneman's idea (from his book Thinking Fast + Slow) of two selves: the experiencing self, and the remembering self. The proposed solution being, that it is the experiencing self that is punishing, it is the remembering self that is forgiving (i.e. overcoming resentment). That the paradox suggests an either or, when in reality the proposed solution shows that you can do both at the same time, and be logically consistent, as well as in real-life practice.

Why I have decided to write this in the talk page, rather than make a full-on edit, is because I am piecing these two pieces of information together, to propose an explantion for why punishment is indepentend of forgiveness. Even though my sources are factual (i.e. they are experts), the proposed ideas were never originally meant to be put together, for this proposed solution. While I think that we all intuitively understand that there is some connection between forgiveness and punishment, some people interpret that connection as being that forgiveness means forgoing punishment. I believe you can do both, and be logically, and practically, consistent and congruent with both concepts. However, this is a proposed explanation, more than sourced from others; it is an original blend of sources, to explain my opinion/idea: I don't know how correct it is, and I am unsure whether wikipedia merits having this subtopic (or if I should just write it in a book or blog). I do, however, understand that wikipedia is a big place for public education, and understanding forgiveness in this way, is the safest way I know (one where an individual can pursue self-defense and/or punishment, and at the same time overcome resentment). I would like to hear thoughts, on whether this should be added or not. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Robot 2020 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Readability

I did not read this entire page, but I did read the "Forgiveness in Relationships" topic. The information under this tab is so grammatically incorrect that I question whether or not it was written by a Native Speaker of English, and whether or not it has been proofread by anyone.

It would take a serious investigation and dedication of time I do not, unfortunately, have into the subject matter and the sitations to fix this topic, but I just wanted to point this out. Thanks. Cttr22 (talk) 18:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. This page was recently the target of Pedantle, and was hard to solve (though 2000 did). The prose is turgid and uses many long and specialised terms. The concept is not difficult, and at least the introduction should use ordinary words and plain language. Begging your pardon for this criticism out of the blue. 79.64.177.100 (talk) 18:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Moral science

Forgiveness 2402:8100:2056:3462:D5AA:2449:7B6B:A36D (talk) 09:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

English

The power of forgiveness 41.13.170.224 (talk) 11:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]